That's exactly opposite of what the 650 was good for. I hate those "kids bikes" (450's). They are too small for me. The size and weight of the DS was a bonus! You of all people should like a bike like that Dave. For us taller and bigger riders, that was a great, comfortable bike that soaked up the rough with ease. It's weight and size is what set it apart from the rest in a good way. When Bert brought his new DS over, I sat on it and was like - oh hell yeah, this is comfy!