Oh hellll no. There was still Sunset Station, Timbers, Adobe Gilas (in sunset), Hooters (in Sunset), PT's on Silverado, etc. The new places just made things much more convenient. Oh yeah, and there was a bunch of garage drinking that went down at budsponge's old place in Whitney Ranch. Oh boy...those were the good ol days. You never did met "Daniel." He was a different person all together. Daniel: it was the name we gave Doug went he drank ALOT of Jack Daniels. "Daniel" came out. You may have caught a glipse of him at times drinking late night w/ Doug since you've met him.