ok i'll try this again my main post was to express my issue with family moving out here wanting us to change our lifestyle . and to basically cater to them . but i see if i let them live with us for a long period of time it's going to go backwards . and i'm in the same boat as dani i'm in a slump until i came to this site . and have met some really cool peeps . esp. dune freak dunimonkie ogp and randog at cleanup . sin city blonde at pres day . yamapimp at hooking us up with the rhino . that's why we bought the rhino so we can meet new peeps instead of leaving the kid and wife at the trailer cause you can't ride doubles . opening our world of duning and off roading to a new level of having fun .