dunefreak Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Just got word from SAND~SNAKE that there was a nasty rollover this afternoon in a Can Am Commander. There were of Asian decent and didn't speak English. One confirmed deceased. They were not wearing helmets. He said it didn't look pretty as you can tell from this pic he sent. Major cage failure. It was ripped off on impact. Thoughts and prayers to their friends and family. Helmets or not, these manufacturers shouldn't be able to sell these things with such weak cages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sincity_blondie Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 That's terrible. Thoughts and prayers go out to those involved. Always hate to hear of fatalities out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
702sandman Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 That's horrible to hear ... Thought and prayers to the family Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joephat65 Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 That's must have been a big hit. The stock can am cage is one of the best stock cages out. Hope the other person is ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsrucker Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Looks like it's time for a new cage on our Maverick. Our thoughts are with these people and their families. Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunefreak Posted March 22, 2014 Author Share Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) A little more info. There were two occupants. The driver died on impact. The passenger was being worked on and was flown out. The victims' entire camp didn't speak english and didn't understand what happened expect for the wife of deceased driver. Very sad. More pics. Looks like they jumped right off the dune at the base of the superbowl on the camp side. Edited March 23, 2014 by dunefreak corrected driver and passenger mix-up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandpirates2 Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Bad accident Took wife up hill as shes a Department of Interior RN. They were already working on the guy that by the time she walked up they were pulling gear off him it was too late. The Baker Paramedics did everything possible. The Side by Side is the same make model and year as mine. The driver hit so hard it took the cage off. They life flighted the other person. Don't know their condition. They're removing Side by Side currently and finally pulled the guy from the scene. Our condolences to the family and the people his group. I don't think any rollcage would have survived. SP2 Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxysandchick Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Some of the 1st on scene said they were about 20ft in the air, fully rotated, then landed full force on roof. Sent from my XT1030 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F250gal Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 This is so sad to read about. Prayers to the family of the victims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxysandchick Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Hard to say if helmets would have helped, one had massive head injuries, but also had neck injury and likely internal injuries. The other who was transported had head injuries and also back injury as he couldn't feel below the chest, also looked like he possibly had a broken leg and arm. Sent from my XT1030 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunefreak Posted March 22, 2014 Author Share Posted March 22, 2014 Sounds like this was one pretty bad impact. I bet if helmets were worn and the cage wouldn't have buckled they would still have had major injuries, but probably would have survived. It's seems like a newbie move to fly off a dune that fast and that hard not to mention at the angle they took. I'm just speculating though. It's too bad they didn't have someone in their group to show them safer habits. Many people just go out there and give it hell. They are too excited and blind to these things that can happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandpirates2 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Sounds like this was one pretty bad impact. I bet if helmets were worn and the cage wouldn't have buckled they would still have had major injuries, but probably would have survived. It's seems like a newbie move to fly off a dune that fast and that hard not to mention at the angle they took. I'm just speculating though. It's too bad they didn't have someone in their group to show them safer habits. Many people just go out there and give it hell. They are too excited and blind to these things that can happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandpirates2 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Pete We just went back and measured. His tracks had him coming down the back side of the bowl straight into the bowl straight back out the highest side, tracks stop at top of bowl, air travel were hearing 20ft high inverted and they traveled some 75 feet from where he left to impact full onto the cage. I'm not advocating not wearing helmets... But he was screaming to travel that level of slope and launch 75 ft and if you look at how the cage just crushed, wearing helmets would have likely stopped the head injury, but the level of damage likely would have been the same to the riders. Spoke to Sand Snake and we agreed that no cage would have handle that type of impact head on into the sand, not a roll. Bad Day.... SP2 Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanddunesaddict Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 just like the purple sand car a few years ago that landed on its cage upside down from 50-70 feet. it would be hard to live through that in any cage. prayers to the victims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxysandchick Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Talked to some of the 1st on scene who helped get them out of the vehicle and they realized a mistake of who was driver and passenger, looks like the driver is the fatality. They said they would contact the PD to correct that for their reports. Sent from my XT1030 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam @ GTP Off Road Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 That is such a sad thing to have happen for people that must be new to the dunes. That is a HUGE impact for the cage for sure, with all that weight. I believe in helmets, especially for SxS, even though many users don't. It doesn't sound like helmets would have really helped in this case, as the impact and cage damage would lead to the neck and back issues. Condolences to the family and friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngoodey Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 That's why I stress to everyone in my truck several times every single trip on the way there to never go over the top of a dune like that. I tell them to go up cut the top and then if it looks ok to transition over. So sorry to hear about this especially since none spoke English and didn't know what was going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raspadoo Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Definitely a sad incident, prayers to all effected. Personally don't understand how these incidents happen. Hope the survivor makes it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Mike Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 So sad. I wonder if they had any idea that the dune dropped out? it is very hard to see out there this time of year in the middle of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
702sandman Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Pete I haven't heard of any other deaths in recent memory in a side by side like this at dumont ...is this a first ? Or has it happened and I just had not heard of any ? Rails, bikes and quads i have heard and seen but don't remember any one in a side by side ....this sucks when it could have been avoided it seems like they just didn't know the danger of flying off the dunes like that ....has anybody heard if this was their first time out ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxysandchick Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 So sad. I wonder if they had any idea that the dune dropped out? it is very hard to see out there this time of year in the middle of the day. That was a face hill by bathroom 9, they were camped straight down from there and if the people at camp had been looking that direction they would have been watching it happen. Looks like they drove right past it, so one would guess they saw it, but maybe they got disoriented being new. They had only been here about 1-2hrs and someone said it was their 1st trip, but hard to know for sure with the limited English. Sent from my XT1030 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxysandchick Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) This shows the side/back of the dune they went off. Sent from my XT1030 using Tapatalk Edited March 24, 2014 by Foxysandchick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sand_YFZ Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 The new SXS's are very fast, even stock and can get you in alot of trouble fast if you dont know what you are doing. Very sad to hear about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunefreak Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 Pete I haven't heard of any other deaths in recent memory in a side by side like this at dumont ...is this a first ? Or has it happened and I just had not heard of any ? Rails, bikes and quads i have heard and seen but don't remember any one in a side by side ....this sucks when it could have been avoided it seems like they just didn't know the danger of flying off the dunes like that ....has anybody heard if this was their first time out ? I've heard of a couple, but none recently. I remember another was in a RZR up on one of the big, steep dunes. It was at night and the occupants weren't wearing seat belts. It's really sad to hear about all of these accidents. While searching the forum for an incident to show 702sandman, I came across pretty much every fatality over the last few years. Not a good read in any thread. The one common denominator was inexperience or lack/use of safety equipment. It got me thinking. I wish we could somehow reach out to or educate those who know nothing about Dumont. You know, those who never read this website or have any experienced friends to explain the basics about duning to them. Yes, we all think this should be common sense, but sometimes people get so excited about something so new and awesome they tend to overlook things, They have no idea you can't just pin it over a dune and land in the "soft, fluffy sand" and everything will be alright. I don't know. I have no solution. I just wish we could help the noobs that often lose their lives to something that is so easily avoidable. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rhino Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Maybe warning signs at the entrance. Like u said Pete it sounds like anybody should know but simple basics we all know. Don't crest a dune at full speed head on. How to transition a dune. What to do and which way to turn if your going to transition but see someone on the other side (turn out not in) etc etc. If it saved ONE life. It'd be worth it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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