racegirl04 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 If you have kids riding in California under 14 you should read it By the way this passed and the Governor signed it From what I understand BILL ANALYSIS SENATE TRANSPORTATION & HOUSING COMMITTEE BILL NO: AB 2755 SENATOR ALAN LOWENTHAL, CHAIRMAN AUTHOR: Blakeslee VERSION: 6/5/06 Analysis by: Carrie Cornwell FISCAL: Yes Hearing date: June 13, 2006 SUBJECT: All-terrain vehicles: operating violations DESCRIPTION: This bill makes parents and guardians legally responsible for the illegal operation of all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) by children under 14. ANALYSIS: Existing law prohibits a child under 14 years of age from operating an ATV on public lands in California unless the child is accompanied by and under the direct supervision of a parent or guardian, or an adult authorized by the parent or guardian, and one of the three following conditions is met: The child has an ATV safety certificate issued by this state or another state; The child is taking a safety training course under the direct supervision of a Certified ATV safety instructor; or The child is under the direct supervision of an adult who has in his or her possession an appropriate safety certificate issued by this state or another state. This bill makes it a crime for a parent or guardian or another adult authorized by the parent or guardian to grant permission or knowingly allow a child under age 14 to operate an ATV unless that child meets one of the above three conditions in existing law. Penalties for this new crime are: For a first conviction, a court may impose a fine of up to AB 2755 (BLAKESLEE) Page 2 $125 or may order the adult to take or retake and complete an ATV safety training course and then to provide the court with a certificate to prove that the course was completed. (The fine of $125 when paid would be approximately $475 with penalty enhancements.) For a second conviction, a court may impose a fine of $125 to $250. (The fine paid would be approximately $475 to $900 with penalty enhancements.) For a third or subsequent conviction, a court may impose a fine of $250 to $500. (This fine would be approximately $900 to $1,770 with penalty enhancements.) If the child was not properly supervised when he or she violated existing law, then the court may order the child to take an ATV safety training course and then to provide the court with a certificate to prove that the course was completed. The court may order the child to take such a course only if the child's parent, guardian, or the adult authorized by the parent or guardian is convicted of allowing a child to operate an ATV without a safety certificate. The adult shall accompany the child to the court-ordered ATV safety training course. COMMENTS: 1)Purpose . The author introduced this bill to "promote safe ridership in California's Off Highway Vehicle recreation areas. California has a long and proud history of OHV recreating, and tradition of safety, responsibility, and stewardship associated with OHV programs." The author notes that the bill proposes a subtle change to existing law that would allow enforcement of unsafe riding to be directed to a supervising parent, guardian, or adult, rather than forcing punitive actions to be directed at younger children. The author believes that the bill will lead to minor ATV riders, and the adults responsible for them, taking ATV safety certification courses. 2)Background . Those under 18 who ride ATVs on public lands in this state must either possess a safety certificate or be supervised by an adult who has a safety certificate. The California Department of Parks and Recreation provides training and certification free of charge to anyone under the age of 18 through a program sponsored by its Off-Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation (OHV) Division. The ATV Safety Institute, a AB 2755 (BLAKESLEE) Page 3 nonprofit ATV safety training organization, runs the program under contract with the OHV Division of State Parks. Adults can receive the same training for a fee, although most manufacturers include the training with the purchase of a new vehicle. Assembly Votes: Floor: 71 - 0 Appr: 17 - 0 Trans: 12 - 0 POSITIONS: (Communicated to the Committee before noon on Wednesday, June 7, 2006) SUPPORT: American Motorcyclist Association District 37 Off Road and Dual Sport Divisions California Off Road Vehicle Association Friends of the Oceano Dunes Off Road Business Association San Diego Off Road Coalition OPPOSED: None received. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandBox_Kid Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Great another law regarding OHV's. I'm sure this will make the blue-hairs all giddy! Wal-Mart rally......mount up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barefoot bob Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 WE WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE OUR DAUGHTER DO stupid caps a test before they would sell us her polaris 90 last year but they didnt giveus a certificate dune namibia................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertskyz Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Really sucks for people with kids. Welcome to Communist California. I wonder if will be enforced at Dumont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craniacs Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 hmmm I'm torn on this one...I like some laws and others are kinda scary... A better approach is to have some friendly rangers come by and educate kids rather than lookin to screw some parents... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvnalolife Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 hmmm I'm torn on this one...I like some laws and others are kinda scary... A better approach is to have some friendly rangers come by and educate kids rather than lookin to screw some parents... I agree with you John! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don29palms Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 This law has been around for a long time in a slightly different wording. It has never been enforced and probably never will be. If your kid gets caught doing something stupid then they will enforce it and guess what, the parents of the little moron will get hammered. If people teach their kids how to act properly and enforce such behavior there shouldn't be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Cheese Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 I see it from the other side of the fence several times, up at hungry valley ohvra, it is common place to see little ones, less the 8, zipping around camp, without supervision, running into cars, trailers, quads, rhinos......................it gets ugly A friend of mine had his toy hauler hit and dented pretty bad by a 5 yr old on a 90. the parents were 1/4 mile away, out of site, shhitfaced drunk, and wanted to fight my friend. the ranger ended up having the sheriffs dpt haul the drunkards away, but my friend still has a dent in his hauler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAD SS Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Here,s how laws come about, the people doing things don't make the laws. It's the people that watch you do things, haven't you ever heard or said " look at those idiots, there needs to be a law against that" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandBox_Kid Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Here,s how laws come about, the people doing things don't make the laws. It's the people that watch you do things, haven't you ever heard or said " look at those idiots, there needs to be a law against that" There really should be a law against "stupid". There's just too much of that around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertskyz Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Studipity should be against the law. It should also be painfull :chev_bowtie: They make these laws to hold parents accountable for what their kids do. Trust me I know about accountablily. I see it everyday. I work for CCSD. It is always easier to blame someone else then take responsiblity for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandBox_Kid Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Studipity should be against the law. It should also be painfull :chev_bowtie: They make these laws to hold parents accountable for what their kids do. Trust me I know about accountablily. I see it everyday. I work for CCSD. It is always easier to blame someone else then take responsiblity for it. I hope that you are doing your best to make a difference. I have had my issues with CCSD and will leave it at that. ...and yes it is always easier to blame someone else, but a bright individual will realize that they can only control themselves, so blaming others becomes a useless practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike156 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Let me throw in another twist...I have 2 sandrails for sh$ts and kicks I contacted BLM (on the phone, in person, and on the web) asking a silly question, confident on the answer I asked how old do you have to be to drive a Dunebuggy/sandrail......All 3 times the same answer, we have nothing on the books requiring a certain age to drive an OHV vehicle.....So being the brain surgeon that I'am I asked them "I have a 10 year old son and I can let him go out and drive in the dunes".......(answer)......Well we dont advise it but yes he can :freakin_nuts: Shocking can drive a 800-2500LB sand car but cant ride a quad over a 100cc. Well the 2nd rail is for sell not about to let a 10 year old drive something like that for a long time. Parents should be liable children know no different (MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO) Bottom line its sad times for the families that have experience and respect for others to have to pay the price for laws that only honest people follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duneshredder911 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 These laws are stupid!!! I just turned 15 and have never taken a class or anything.It doesnt stop me from going out in the dunes. Those age restriction on quads are even worse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don29palms Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 I agree that some of these laws are stupid but they are there because some parents refuse to take responsibility for the actions of their children. Another thing that bothers me is alot of the laws that apply to OHVs sre made my people that don't have any idea what an OHV is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SailAway Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 It looks to me like this law was created as an enforcement tool to give some teeth to an existing law. My guess is it stems from someone who was hit or damaged by an uncertified minor driver and the victim wanted more satisfaction. I don't agree with new laws and feel strongly that there are enough laws on the books right now and proper enforcement would benefit both law enforcement and the user. Most laws help keep us safe if they are enforced during use or prior to use. This law seems designed to allow a bitter bite after the fact. We all know there are parents out there who use their ATVs as a babysitter. They look the other way while their child races through camps, darts out from behind obstructions and hasn't got a clue about dune ettiquette. I think this law was created to make those parents responsible for what happens when that child races through a camp and strikes another vehicle, darts out from behind an obstruction and hits another quad, or screams through a crowd of onlookers. Here is the link to the State of Caliornia OHV web page for current OHV regulations. Here is the text of the safety training regulation: ATV Safety RequirementsAll-terrain vehicle (ATV) operators under 18 years of age must comply with the following California Vehicle Code requirements when operating an ATV on public lands. The Off-Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation Division (OHMVRD) currently provides funding for ATV safety certificate training for those age 6 through 17. For more information and to sign up for training contact the ATV Safety Institute at (800-887-2887). CONDITIONS FOR OPERATING: MINORS No person under the age of 18 years shall operate an all-terrain vehicle on public lands of this state unless the person satisfies one of the following conditions: * (a) The person is taking a prescribed safety training course under the direct supervision of a certified all-terrain vehicle safety instructor. * (B) The person is under the direct supervision of an adult who has in their possession an appropriate safety certificate issued by this state, or issued under the authority of another state. * © The person has in possession an appropriate safety certificate issued by this state or issued under the authority of another state (CVC 38503). CONDITIONS FOR OPERATING: ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS No person under 14 years of age shall operate an all-terrain vehicle on public lands of this state unless the person satisfies one of the conditions set forth in Section 38503 and, in addition, is accompanied by and under the direct supervision of a parent or guardian or is accompanied by and under the direct supervision of an adult who is authorized by the parent or guardian (CVC 38504). I don't remember who posted that they never received a training certificate when they purchased a new quad, but they should return to the dealer and push for one. The dealers were not required to offer the training but they had a letter of understanding with the Consumer Product Safety Commission that they would do so. Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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