is this a good deal?

[Richard Cheese]

all you rail guys and gals.......i havent done the research, but found this over @ GD .com

whaaaaatdaya think??

thanks

[wingnut]

I wouldn't say it is a bad deal considering people have that much in their rhinos.....but buy the time you get the O.T.D price, that could be another story. I have seen some smoking deals for rails in the 23-27k range. Joeduner just posted some bitching deals he found just the other day. IMO, that would be a better way to go. That tranny seems a little scary too.

[vegas style]

thats not a normal transaxel set up and the eco tech motor is under powered. think pete has almost that much HP in his mini rail

[wingnut]

Pete's busa, uncorked is right about 200hp I believe

[dunefreak]

Pete's busa, uncorked is right about 200hp I believe

My car is about about 175-180- HP and weighs about 1000 lbs.

[BudlightBob]

My car is about about 175-180- HP and weighs about 1000 lbs.

And it looks better.

[Don29palms]

If you are looking for a super nice Rhino that would be good. if you are looking at it for a rail I would say PASS. It has ATV tires and wheels on a 1600lb car.

[JoeDuner]

I think the jury is still out on this one. It is made in China, but the builder says it has alot of good parts and not the normal china junk. I would wait to see how they hold up after a few people buy them and run them hard.

[JoeDuner]

Here is what the owner had to say about the Chinese made bashing............

Setting the record - straight facts and figures.

Facts:

The car is solid and the company offers a full 90 day warranty on 95% of the car, all parts are available off the shelf some parts come from china some are purchased locally.

With regards to the arms front and rear these are Chromoly and the material comes from Parker Hannifin in Shanghai they are the largest supplier to Bowing Aircraft in the world and is an American owned and based company.

The chassis is made from 1018 certified steel also supplied by Parker Hannifin

The shocks utilized are built by a manufacturer that builds for VW and Porsche now and several other German, American shocks and strut so called manufacturers (They contract to china factories) the factory is owned by a German and a China man.

The Chromoly axels and CVs and S10 micro stubs they are now using are supplied by the supplier that makes these for GM and similar parts for BMW, VW, Mercedes and 27 other car manufacturers they typically supply 40,000 axels/ drive assemblies a month and employ 4500 people the factory is owned by a German and an American.

The brakes and machined parts are made by a reputable company that makes a ton of parts for Harley Davidson, Yamaha, Honda cars, Ford and GM these guys employee only 2300 people. The factory is owned by a china man and an Australian.

The wheels are spun Alluminuim and the manufacturer produces 10,000 wheels a month and have been doing wheels for 35 years. An Italian and a China man own it.

Where the cars are final assembled?

All cars are final assembled here in the USA and check out 100% by the manufacturer and the dealer.

Engines used:

CBM Motor Sports, Chris and Bruce have done a great Job setting up the cars for a low speed mode (Approximately 30MPH) and Hi speed (Approximately 70 MPH) they stand behind the motors 100% and they are factory crate motors from GM not used rebuilt motors or blems like some of their competitors use and sell to other buggy builders in the market.

The Buggies are the only buggies in the USA utilizing American engines that are CARB and EPA certified for sale in the US market legally thanks to Chris and Bruce at CBM.

Gearbox:

The Wright Gear box services the transmission and Ricky recons it will handle 200HP.

The transmission is rated at 200HP although their is only 160HP only one transmission has broken in 8 months and that was one of the owners and he had it half in gear by mistake the shift cable needed adjusting.

The reason for the new transmission 6 to 1 is the demand for people racing and wanting more HP and faster speeds the car will hit 103MPH with the 6 to 1 it will also have a real diff making it easily to drive on the street and turn sharply by not having a live axel like the present cars.

The new trans will handle 300HP and 300 foot LBS of torque this is a upgrade from CBM if you have your racing license!

The cars built so far can utilize this new transmission if the customer desires to upgrade the new transmission is $1000.00 upgrade for these cars that have been built.

All existing transmissions utilize 300m shafts and Chromoly gears.

The gear manufacturers velocity utilizes have made ring and pinions that have not broken in bigger transmissions at 800 hp it should be noted the American manufacturer US gear I believe have broken at 650 hp.

The manufacturer is developing a new transmission for the F1 Panther with a full differential and will have it available at the sand show all going well that is rated at 350 HP note this transmission doesn’t exist in the world watch how many people copy it.

Note the CVT is made by Comet and Team Industries made here in the USA, this technology has been on snow mobiles for 25 plus years, this same system they are using on Mini Dragsters at 350HP now with the same belt the F1 panther is utilizing the belt it is Kevlar.

Taz car in Arizona utilizes the same clutch system and a similar transmission, they purchase their clutches from Team industries and Comet and it works well for them for the last 6 years plus?

Neil will possibly handle the exclusive distribution for the state of AZ, he has test drove the first proto type over all seamed impressed and is interested as I understand it.

With regards to testing at Lake Elsinore the car has went around the track 100 plus times with four different drivers during the week Mon /Friday.

The company test car has been and jumped at least 500 times 3 to 6 foot between Lake Elsinore and Barstow on the company test Buggy so far to date it has broken the following:

1. Blew two CVs purchase from a local supplier before they had the qualified off shore supplier.

2. Cracked the fans in the radiator from jumping, now they are reinforced and braced so this won’t happen again on any car, all cars have a 12 month warranty and the radiator and the fans.

3. Have had two heim joints go bad, they now have Chromoly metric ones the original ones are brass not as strong however hold up reasonably, the existing Chromoly supplier supplies to two well know Chromoly manufacturers here in the USA

4. The car has blown two front tires off the rim and 3 on the rear because they were not using bead locks.

Note the car has 300 hours on it this car has more hours then any other car note they tested the car for 6 months before releasing to the public.

Their are no cracked frames or arms note it was jumped on hard rocks and terrain not just Glamis the cars are dual sport try jumping the typically none dual sport car 500 times 3 to 6 foot on this terrain and see what breaks.

The car has had a tires come off the rim in testing because of not having bead locks this happened on a Sunday in front of Lake Elsinore crowd of 600 people along with the breaking radiator fans after getting 4-5 foot of air.

The car has a 90 day warranty, this says a lot you can buy a new car from some of the top builders in the industry for two to five times the cost and the warranty typically expires when you put it in the trailer at the manufacturer.

The warranty is held with the local distributor, the manufacturer doesn’t deal directly with the customer however will support the dealer distributor and the customer 100% if the item is questionable to what went wrong the manufacturer has cover every part every time.

The owner’s phone number is on his web site and anyone can talk to him for help or suggestions on what they are building they dont claim to know everything.

The car is enginneered in Solid works and ACAD by American and chinneese enginneers with master degrees i nenginneering all parts are made to a drawing and all suspension is 100% tested in solid works before building the car.

Thier are four people employeed in the quality inspection of the cars as they are produced.

All parts utilized on the car can be purchased from the dealers that came with the car or you can buy cross over parts from Mc Kenizes, Kartec, SU, and Napa, Auto zone pending part you can also go to your local GM dealer and get the engine serviced at 100,000 miles or get the oil changed at jiffy lube.

Setting the record straight:

Their has never been four of these cars at the track in Elsinore as quoted if you can show me proof of this i will give you $100,000, their was two cars the day the demo car lost a front tire in front of 600 people, the second car was a customers and he wasn’t their to drive it was yellow car and the test car was red.

The manufacturer has never sold any one a transmission except to The Wright gear box and I believe it was two 091 transmissions used about five years ago ask Ricky.

If the manufacturer sold you a transmission or a car he sure doesn’t know who you are bring it back for a full refund he would love to meet you in person.

The car has a live axel this dosent let it turn easy on asphalt this is why it looked like it didn’t turn easily at the demo in Delmar, on dirt it will spin full 360s in 12-15 foot radius.

China reality, not rumors, not assumptions, not Ignorance:

The assumption from the people that have not traveled and experience the real world that all parts that come from china or Asia are junk this is not true exactly but you may have to get on a flight to go their before you will realize this.

Maybe look at Toyota, Honda, GM, VW, and several other manufacturers building cars in China, it should be noted GM is number one producer of cars in china and VW is number two..

If you are the guy that is looking for the cheapest part and you wish to find some one to build you the cheapest part, you don’t have to go to Asia you can get that done here in the USA and you will have Junk as well, if you are not looking for dependability, durability and quality.

Quality and dependability can be found in china and the rest of the world just like here, you have to look hard and you can not expect to pay the cheapest price if quality and the right material of construction are a factor and the over all out come...

The shocking part to all is the majority of the daily drivers you are driving more then likely most of the components came from China or India, Ford, Chevrolet, GM, Honda and Toyota did they forget to tell you where most of the components where made or did you not ask?

I bet you asked for the best price how did you think they where going to get you the best price?

The day you elected to purchase a computer for $500.00 instead of buying an IBM computer for $3500.00 you choose to use an offshore supplier.

The day you elected to purchase a Harley you elected to purchase a bike that utilizes off shore components from Taiwan and China I can take you to the factories if you like.

If you choose not to ask the question and assume they didn’t purchase parts from Asia and bury your head in the sand (literally) it will not change the reality of a world market.

The company owners have been making mechanical equipment and parts for 22 years for existing OEMs here in the USA and Europe they also supply parts MADE IN THE USA to manufacturers and customers in Asia and Europe 117 companies in all.

Approximately 57% of the owners total business has been export to companies all over the world for 22 years employing Americans 75 to be exact.

The main parts velocity affiliated companies contracted off shore to be built have been mechanical components for 22 years in several industries they presently build parts for 14 companies in all here in the USA some of which you have purchased Buggies from.

Velocity will not build any part that is patented unless it is for the guy that holds the patent, most parts Velocity utilizes where already being built for another supplier some where in the world or for the original manufacturer pending part.

Velocity’s affiliate companies has contracted building factories and parts for people offshore that wish to sell to a world market and compete in a world market.

Food for thought:

There are 6.6 Billion people in the world and there are 194 countries out their just because some have not travel the world it doesn’t mean there isn’t one out their.

You may ask yourself why the heck this guy wrote so much?

What you might ask is why so many people did not exactly told the truth about the facts and reality in some cases, I figured setting the record straight with the truth might make sense before everyone has a go at bashing this guy and the company and not knowing the facts about the real world and the BS that was made up to help bash the company!

Just tell the truth I think if you call the President of Velocity you will get that, he might not tell you what you would like to hear but he will give it to you straight.

HAVE A GOOD DAY AND I TRULY WISH THE BEST TO ALL.

KING, ATV RACING, AND TOM PRO ALL BUILD GREAT CARS IT DEPENDS WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR AT THE END OF THE DAY.

[dunefreak]

[sanddunesaddict]

That was a good post,where did you find that Joe?

He brought up some good points.

Just because it has China parts people think its junk...this isnt always true.

I get parts all day long at work that have been made in Mexico,China,India,Taiwan and some in Canada

[wingnut]

Wow Bert you get your cookies imported from all those places????

[Richard Cheese]

farq....i didn't know it was made in china

sorry, but effe that

my son's first quad was made in china, and the effening thing never ran right, constantly broke down due to malfunctions with mechanical pieces, and has NO aftermarket support.