dunefreak Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 This is a very serious concern, everyone. Please read up on this and become familair with what is going on right now. As many of you know, the fringe toed lizard has been under very close watch by environmental groups and agencies. This lizard lives at Dumont Dunes, mostly in the surrounding areas where vegetation and brush are present. It is extremely important that we, as responsible duners, work together on this issue with a very proactive approach to help protect the lizard and keep Dumont Dunes open for us OHV riders. Rather than U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service listing the lizard as endangered (which could possibly result in a permanent closure of Dumont Dunes), the agencies are discussing the possibility of writing and agreeing to a conservation plan for the lizard. This conservation plan would protect the lizard from OHVs while keeping the dunes open to duners of Dumont. Working with the BLM and FWS will be a positive step in a direction that will support the conservation plan. Read more here... http://www.dumontduneriders.com/FTL/ Those who think they might be able to bring forward a positive, proactive attitude and voice towards this issue are STRONGLY ENCOURAGED to attend this meeting. If you feel that lizards are stupid and we don't need them, you shouldn't even be at Dumont Dunes or on this site. In order to ride and enjoy Dumont Dunes, we must work together on this and respect the wildlife and the conservation plan. With responsibility , OHV and wildlife CAN co-exist! The meeting 1:00 pm, July 29th, 2008 Barstow, CA BLM Field Office Working with the BLM and FWS to participate in developing the plan, and to show them we can and will support the plan once its complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsky70 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Something we all need to get on board with...SF Woody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Cheese Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 wow.....i thought the FWS had a count and said there were several thousand of them??? It would be good to toss around some ideas......some non-smartass, realistic ideas that we could honestly help inact while in dumont. i think the riding out of bounds deal is a good start...although, i have seen BLM and ranger vehicles STUCK out of bounds, and several vehicles, including the tractor @ the camp hosts site barraging through the brush to go get them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Pete, thanks for putting this out there. I can't tell you how important this meeting is going to be. The BLM and other agencies want OUR imput on how we as a user group can help keep this from going any further than a conservation plan. I will be there and I urge all others who have a concern and Positive comments toward educating the public, how to eliminate out of bound intrusions and ideas to bring the dune user's together on this should be at this meeting. Please add it to your schedule and make an appearence. Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EY3BA11 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 If its so important and they want the public to get involved WHY do the schedule them for the middle of the week in the MIDDLE of the afternoon.. I bet they do that so it looks like no one cares cuz not everyone can make it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Cheese Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 If its so important and they want the public to get involved WHY do the schedule them for the middle of the week in the MIDDLE of the afternoon.. I bet they do that so it looks like no one cares cuz not everyone can make it.. good point Nick...Terry...is there any way we can petition to move the meeting to a weekend, or offset this meeting until the sept meeting that is already on a Saturday??? I do not mean to step on toes here, but 3 weeks notice about this meeting? or has this meeting with the Wildlife been planned for awhile?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 The truth of the matter is that these are all Goverment workers who work on weekdays not weekends. This invitation was made as a courtesy to the users. Do you want your fee demo money going to pay these Govt. employees O/T and per diem travel time. This is a courtesy to us not our requirements of them! They will have this meeting with or without us and they have graciouslly offerred to let us have some input, for that I am grateful for the invite. Notice was put out last week as to this meeting and it was discussed among TRT/FODD,DDR and DSD.com as to wether we wanted to put it out for general attendance. We want/need to come over at this meeting as concerned duners and caretakers of this special place. If we have a b*tch session the Fish and Wildlife Service who are not used to dealing with "typical" duners will have a bad impression. Not saying that the "typical" duner leaves a bad impression I am just saying that we want to put our best foot forward at this meeting and provide good info to these govt. folks that we care for Dumont and want to be involved in it's future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Cheese Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 ok...well...i put out the no riding in out of bounds...maybe better marking the OB territory??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Cheese Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 the meeting is at the same place that it was back in November?? on barstow Blvd south of the 15??? and do we need to bring 8 backs for lunch too?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunefreak Posted July 23, 2008 Author Share Posted July 23, 2008 the meeting is at the same place that it was back in November?? on barstow Blvd south of the 15??? and do we need to bring 8 backs for lunch too?? From my understanding- YES. As for lunch I doubt we will be doing lunch there at the meeting since it is at 1:00. (wouldn't you have 8 bucks on hand regardless though? ) Jason, are you off the whole day on Tuesday? (no school this time of year right?) We should meet up for breakfast or lunch that day before the meeting. I decided I am heading into Barstow Mon night and staying at Woody's place. That way I can make the drive more worth-while ya know and hang out with Woods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Cheese Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 From my understanding- YES. As for lunch I doubt we will be doing lunch there at the meeting since it is at 1:00. (wouldn't you have 8 bucks on hand regardless though? ) Jason, are you off the whole day on Tuesday? (no school this time of year right?) We should meet up for breakfast or lunch that day before the meeting. I decided I am heading into Barstow Mon night and staying at Woody's place. That way I can make the drive more worth-while ya know and hang out with Woods. i just gotta drop string off @ kindergarten readiness around 8 ish, and i can be in barstow about 10:30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 I will be leaving Tuesday at about 9:30 if anybody wants to ride to the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indasand Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 (edited) I've never been to a meeting and this one looks like a good start so I'll do my best. If anyone want's to ride along let me know.... I'm sure I can get the day off we are pretty slow at work right know. (smoker friendly truck, come on Nick! LOL) Edited July 23, 2008 by indasand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EY3BA11 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 My shift starts at noon.. Ill see what i can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indasand Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 My shift starts at noon.. Ill see what i can do. Your the only smoker I know besides that a-hole Warrior LOL anyways...... I got the day off so I am in!!!!!!!!! I need an address for my GPS.................. Never been there... where the F is Barstow? Do people actually live there? ha ha ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EY3BA11 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 just head to barstow get off on barstow rd.. hang a left at the light and follow it till your almost out of town you will see the blm building on the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Cheese Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 (edited) Your the only smoker I know besides that a-hole Warrior LOL anyways...... I got the day off so I am in!!!!!!!!! I need an address for my GPS.................. Never been there... where the F is Barstow? Do people actually live there? ha ha ha google is your friend Bureau of Land Management Barstow Field Office 2601 Barstow Road Barstow, CA 92311 Phone: (760) 252-6000 Fax: (760) 252-6098 with as much as a post whore you are, i thought you could use a computer Edited July 24, 2008 by richard cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunefreak Posted July 24, 2008 Author Share Posted July 24, 2008 Very cool, Brian. Glad you are gonna make it. I'm really hoping that on the 29th we can all make a very positive impact with the conservation plan and keep Dumont free of future closures. I'm sure we can though. William Presch seems to be a good guy and seems like he is very open minded with the OHV'ers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsky70 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 My hauler is parked right out back for a couple peeps to sleep in as well if they want....SF Woody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sincity_blondie Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 I really really wish I was able to make this meeting. I hope everyone that shows up keeps a level head! I think it will be a great meeting. I look forward to the report afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motoxman30 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 im not an enviro but i think that every living thing deserves a chance at life how many of us ride in the vegitation?? how many of us have seen the lizard?? there is no way that this lizard can only be at dumont dunes if thats the case theyre done for with all the desert surrounding dumont wouldnt there be lizards out there? we ride wut like 1/10,000 of the desert...so y out of all the desert would these lizards make their home on the outskirts of the dunes with all the noise when they can make a nice home 2 miles out under a nice plant i think the reason is because they like the rumble of us ridin through wut would give them reason to stay? if a nuclear bombs gonna fall on the US u bet ur @$$ im gettin the FU$K out so these lizards see giant people ridin through wouldnt they leave as well? just thinkin out loud id go to the meeting but i got too much $H!+ goin on now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltr450rider Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 im not an enviro but i think that every living thing deserves a chance at life how many of us ride in the vegitation?? how many of us have seen the lizard?? there is no way that this lizard can only be at dumont dunes if thats the case theyre done for with all the desert surrounding dumont wouldnt there be lizards out there? we ride wut like 1/10,000 of the desert...so y out of all the desert would these lizards make their home on the outskirts of the dunes with all the noise when they can make a nice home 2 miles out under a nice plant i think the reason is because they like the rumble of us ridin through wut would give them reason to stay? if a nuclear bombs gonna fall on the US u bet ur @$$ im gettin the FU$K out so these lizards see giant people ridin through wouldnt they leave as well? just thinkin out loud id go to the meeting but i got too much $H!+ goin on now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indasand Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Anyone else wanna go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 I am going, wanna hook up and split gas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandSoulja Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 I'm not to worried about the lizard...but whatever keeps the dunes open i guess... i hesitate to get to close to the blm.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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