limodriver Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I am not trying to start anything but I am curious as to what other people think and is there anything we can do about this problem ourselves. While talking with the camp host this weekend he informed me that he has had to pay for tires for the rescue rhino out of hie pocket. This is the same rhino that helps get medical help to our fellow dunners when needed. He also told me that the blm finds no ergency to get supplies out to them when he request like fuel for the rhino the fencing that goes around his area to help keep it clear. These people are not there to just clean bathrooms and crap like that. They go out of there way to help people when they need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barefoot bob Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 (edited) sounds like someone needs your assistance ynot and woody trt meeting perhaps Edited October 20, 2008 by barefoot bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsky70 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 (edited) Something to bring up for sure, I know they get a stipend for stuff, but none the less, they shouldn't be paying out of pocket. I'm sure we will come up with something....SF Woody I'll also give him my number, I can run something out if he needs it.... Edited October 20, 2008 by wsky70 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EY3BA11 Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 if they need anything from vegas and i happen to be goin that way ill be glad to bring it out for em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 I am not trying to start anything but I am curious as to what other people think and is there anything we can do about this problem ourselves. While talking with the camp host this weekend he informed me that he has had to pay for tires for the rescue rhino out of hie pocket. This is the same rhino that helps get medical help to our fellow dunners when needed. He also told me that the blm finds no ergency to get supplies out to them when he request like fuel for the rhino the fencing that goes around his area to help keep it clear. These people are not there to just clean bathrooms and crap like that. They go out of there way to help people when they need it. First thing that comes to mind is that they are not required to have a Rhino and the tires he put on his rhino were his choice not the BLM's. Although I am not speaking for them(BLM) I did send a copy of your post to them. I can't see a way for the BLM to legally purchase a set of tires for a non Goverment vehicle. If they can I would like a new set of paddles. Don and Ellen do a great job and it is much appreciated by myself, the TRT and the dune users. However every year they seem to have a fresh set of "b*tches" I am not saying that they are not legitimate concerns but buying tires was their decision not a requirement for their position. They do get a Stipend for there services. That they go above and beyond is a great thing but again the BLM is required to operate inside a set of regulations dealing with spending. I will pass along any info I get from the Barstow office regarding this. Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limodriver Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 I understand what you are saying and that is fine. They seem like realy good people that go out of there way to help others. If they are just bitching to be heard then owhale for them but this weekend seeing that the only way people could get medical help was from them bring it to them in the rhino that means something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Here is the answer I got from BLM on this subject and as I thought the rhino and tires are a personal decision not a requirement of the job nor a goverment vehicle. Here is there response; Thanks Terry, We will see what we can do to make it better. They did give us one list of supplies they wanted when they arrived a little over a week ago. They did get those things. Then this weekend they gave us another list of supplies. This list includes the fencing, etc. and they will get those supplies. They have difficulty understanding that the park rangers on site on the weekend can not just go out and buy stuff. They have the bring the list back here for funding and do a purchase requisition and then someone with purchase authority buys the stuff and the park ranger takes it to them. Its not like a small family business, its a process we need to follow. And it means that they will get the stuff a week after they ask. We can not buy things for their personal vehicles. We pay them a milage rate that is very fair and they should be able to buy the fuel, oil, tires, all the maintenance items for the vehicles that they want out of the mileage rate funding. That is just the way it works for a government agency. We can pay the milage rate, but can not buy things for a personal vehicle. It is harder for some to understand what the mileage rate is for than others. And, just for your general information, they are maintenance workers by their volunteer agreement. The rescue that they do is on their own, and not part of their BLM responsibilities. Lynnette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rhino Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 It's a shame they didnt reach out to us here on DDR BEFORE buying them, as I know of at least one set of those trying to sell, and I am sure we as a group could have got them some paddles for there rhino, or what ever they needed. because as we all know :chkn: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBoreVegas Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 It's a shame they didnt reach out to us here on DDR BEFORE buying them, as I know of at least one set of those trying to sell, and I am sure we as a group could have got them some paddles for there rhino, or what ever they needed. because as we all know :chkn: Exactly, We are the community and WE support what they are doing, and are always willing to help. Even though they might feel greedy or not want to get stuff from us. You would be surprised what people will give or help get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Edgy Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Here is the answer I got from BLM on this subject and as I thought the rhino and tires are a personal decision not a requirement of the job nor a goverment vehicle. Here is there response; Thanks Terry, We will see what we can do to make it better. They did give us one list of supplies they wanted when they arrived a little over a week ago. They did get those things. Then this weekend they gave us another list of supplies. This list includes the fencing, etc. and they will get those supplies. They have difficulty understanding that the park rangers on site on the weekend can not just go out and buy stuff. They have the bring the list back here for funding and do a purchase requisition and then someone with purchase authority buys the stuff and the park ranger takes it to them. Its not like a small family business, its a process we need to follow. And it means that they will get the stuff a week after they ask. We can not buy things for their personal vehicles. We pay them a milage rate that is very fair and they should be able to buy the fuel, oil, tires, all the maintenance items for the vehicles that they want out of the mileage rate funding. That is just the way it works for a government agency. We can pay the milage rate, but can not buy things for a personal vehicle. It is harder for some to understand what the mileage rate is for than others. And, just for your general information, they are maintenance workers by their volunteer agreement. The rescue that they do is on their own, and not part of their BLM responsibilities. Lynnette Doesn't a Rhino have an odometer????????????????????? :chkn: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBoreVegas Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Doesn't a Rhino have an odometer????????????????????? :chkn: great point if the BLM is going to be by the books, the camp hosts should record everymile and everytrip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunefreak Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I say we setup a Don & Ellen donation account (Paypal?). Then whenever someone has say 5 or 10 bucks they could spare they could just donate it online. Then, for example, when we reach 100 or 200 dollars, we could cash it out and bring it out to them courtesy of DDR in appreciation for what they do. Just a thought to help them out. They do voluntarily live out there all season and support what we do. It's the least we could do to return the favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBoreVegas Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I say we setup a Don & Ellen donation account (Paypal?). Then whenever someone has say 5 or 10 bucks they could spare they could just donate it online. Then, for example, when we reach 100 or 200 dollars, we could cash it out and bring it out to them courtesy of DDR in appreciation for what they do. Just a thought to help them out. They do voluntarily live out there all season and support what we do. It's the least we could do to return the favor. Lets do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rhino Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 ditto let's do it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsky70 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Well said Pete, be happy to pitch in....SF Woody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunefreak Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 We can use the DDR Paypal account and I set this up so I can track each donation that is for Don & Ellen so we keep that $$ separate from our other "corporate money" or lack thereof Otherwise we'd have to go through the whole process of settin up another account w/ Paypal. That is a big pain getting everything verified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertskyz Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Let or or just me where to go for the account my Debet card is ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limodriver Posted October 21, 2008 Author Share Posted October 21, 2008 Thank you Pete that is a great idea and I will be willing to help also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandSoulja Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 thats awesome... instead of everybody bi--tching and moaning, somebody came up with a solution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandSoulja Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 maybe a sticker for a donation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGP Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 very cool pete. way to step up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rhino Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 hey Pete I donated but it said sale, so hope you don't get dinged with a fee? Not to be confused with sticker one, that was EZ PEZY (u had a dummy link) maybe a link here to the Don and Ellen fund for donation. W.R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunefreak Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Holy crap. All I gotta say is you people are truly awesome. I haven't even posted the link up yet and already the DDR paypal account has seen $110 in donations. wow. :ah: If you feel like donating, just click the link and we'll see to it that Don and Ellen get your donation along with everyone else's. donation link for camp hosts, Don & Ellen... **removed*** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunefreak Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 hey Pete I donated but it said sale, so hope you don't get dinged with a fee? Not to be confused with sticker one, that was EZ PEZY (u had a dummy link) maybe a link here to the Don and Ellen fund for donation. W.R. Got it Paul...both of em. Thank you! And yes there is a fee Paypal charges, but it it's minimal. For transactions ($0.00 USD - $3,000.00 USD) it's 2.9% + $0.30 USD Not really a big deal though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indasand Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Wow!!!!!! I allways appreaciated everything the hosts did for Dumont but I'm guilty of never considering how much it costs them..... Great topic!!!! Thanks for the paypal link Pete.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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